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Artist: KISS

Title: Music From the Elder

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KISS Music From the Elder Album Cover


Category: Hard Rock

Year: 1981

Label: Casablanca

Catalog Number: 824 153-2


Paul Stanley rhythm guitar, vocals
Gene Simmons bass, vocals
Ace Frehley lead guitar, vocals
Eric Carr drums


1.  The Oath  4:32
2.  Fanfare  1:00
3.  Just a Boy  2:34
4.  Dark Light  4:12
5.  Only You  4:22
6.  Under the Rose  4:48
7.  A World Without Heroes  2:39
8.  Mr. Blackwell  4:49
9.  Escape From the Island  2:51
10.  Odyssey  5:49
11.  I  3:53
Total Running Time:  41:29

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Existing comments about this CD

From: T-BONE Date: August 11, 2001 at 17:25
This album was way out there for KISS to do. Very much like a TOMMY remake. You have to read the story on the album sleave to catch on to the music. Not too bad of an album if you give it a chance.

From: nighttiger Date: November 28, 2001 at 22:36
Excellent album.one of there best.Sad that Ace actually only played on on song.Musically I give this one a ten. The song writting is some of there best each song giving off it's intended mood.From what I understand this album was wrote with the movie in mind,although the movie never saw the light of day.Lou Reed co-wrote several songs on here.

From: CHIRO Date: April 18, 2002 at 1:19

From: brad 140 Date: April 29, 2002 at 0:11
Still waiting for a KISS fan out there to write up an "I hate this album" review. All of my friends and I did. After years have passed, I got the CD to complete my collection, and my wife (another KISS fan) loves it!!! I'd love to see them live again. I've seen them many times, but it's just never enough!!!

From: Tony Date: May 7, 2002 at 0:18
One of those albums that I think a lot of Kiss die-hards look at through rose-colored glasses. Paul Stanley has hit it right on the nail; "Good album but not a good Kiss album". To compare it to Tommy is just ridiculous though and I'm sure the band would agree. A must for the serious Kiss fans as it's just such a strange departure for them but like the band during this era (Dynasty, Unmasked) just sounds disjointed and haphazard.

From: richierocker Date: May 19, 2002 at 15:57
when i first got this album I thought it was trash and almost sold it the day i bought it because i wanted it to sound like destroyer or heavier. Then I gave it a 2nd chance and its decent, I like a world without heroes, and escape from the island. But this is still one of my least favorite kiss albums.

From: Kim Date: August 18, 2002 at 16:27
Kiss doesnt get any better than this. Its a superb release. This shows that they are descent musicians. Not many of their other releases have done that.....................................................................Now all KISS fans JUMP and make comments.

From: RichieRocker Date: August 18, 2002 at 17:23
When I 1st heard this album I hated it, I wanted it to sound like "Love Gun" or "Creatures of the Night". But I started to listen again and I liked "Escape from the Island" and "A world without Heroes". They proved to be excellent musicians on this album. But I prefer the hard rockin Kiss over this album.

From: Federico Date: August 19, 2002 at 16:41
I loved only a couple of songs here,"I" and "the Oath", The rest sound too much dark and boring for my taste. Maybe I shoudld listen it again, but now I'm too lazy too seek for that old tape in my collection. I prefer Crazy nights, made by great musicians with great taste.

From: RichieRocker Date: September 16, 2002 at 21:39
This album doesnt rock much. Its more of a concept album. I almost sold it the first time I listened to it, because it didnt rock hard enough, but I got used to it.4,7,9,11 are my favorite tracks on the album. A lot of KISS fans wanted a balls to the wall album but when this one came out they were very dissapointed.

From: Richard H Date: September 27, 2002 at 1:52
A Great concept album.The skeptics have now started to appreciate this one( so many years later).

From: iNjEcTtheVeNoM Date: January 20, 2003 at 18:08
i always liked this album.its not ur sleazy good time party album like most kiss albums,but its good for what they were trying to do.the first side is very strong(id like to see them do some of this live in australia...theyll never have a better opportunity),while the second side kinda runs outta steam..my only real complaint is the"muted" production especially on the guitars but overall id give it an 8 on a Kiss scale.

From: keebler Date: May 28, 2003 at 4:32
this is the kiss album that everybody has differnt feelings about i think you would have to be a die hard fan to get into it.

From: Jimbo Date: June 3, 2003 at 2:27
This album hurts my ears. Paul Stanley--in falsetto--"I am just a boy..." I swear to god. It's painful. "Fanfare". Those flutes just ROCK! Help me. The cover says "KISS". The music says "crank it up to four and take a nap". You want a KISS fan to write up an "I hate this album" review? I HATE THIS ALBUM! I'm a little verklempt. I can barely talk now. (I'll take bands that forgot how to rock for $500, Jack.) Not sure if you'll like this one? Jab a fork into your eyeball. Yeah, it's like that.

From: jason (FA - Q) Date: June 29, 2003 at 20:25
LOL!!...... Sorry, it's just funny to think of a guy in clown make-up trying to be phil·o·soph·i·cal......LOL!......

From: coke is it Date: November 3, 2003 at 2:53
I love it when gene simmons has a tear in his eye in the film!!!!! Lol~!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Metal T Date: December 6, 2003 at 21:49
"A world without heroes",a world without heroes-----C'mon.How about a world without this album !

From: Great Dane Date: December 7, 2003 at 17:34
Ok. This is on my top 10 of the worst albums ever..........The others are the Donnie Miller cd, The Peter Criss Album(His latest) and then this piece of shit. Daaaamn its awful.

From: howe Date: December 10, 2003 at 20:17
Great album. ODYSSEY is a true master-piece. A WORLD WITHOUT HEROES should feature on every KISS best of.

From: Fat Freddy Date: January 2, 2004 at 15:58
I see that this album does have something of a cult following on this board, which is cool by me... it's definitely an oddball in the Kiss catalog, but even though it's not typical Kiss it's a fun experiment. After hearing Ace Frehley perform the obscure "Talk To Me" at a show, I began screaming for "Dark Light," his song off of this album... no such luck, he didn't play it. Oh well...

From: Apoc_DOP Date: January 2, 2004 at 18:56
Officially this was the first album without Peter. Enter Eric Carr and a new era of drumming. Unfortunately Ace left soon after. This album needs 3 or 4 turns to make sense, and the Heart song "Barracuda" is here with different words and different arrangement. Not sure how that happened without a lawsuit. But Kiss gave us Creatures of the Night after this. So it is a must for fans to see the "80's Metal revolution" Kiss began after this. Truly the turning point for Kiss in the 80's.

From: Edwin Date: January 2, 2004 at 19:03
I truly think this is KISS' most underrated album ever. The music and storyline was way ahead of it's time and that is maybe what killed it. But it is simply awesome. Just check out "Under the Rose"! Wow! A sublime record, that should have a second spin now. It was ahead and is in pace with the present times!

From: Fat Freddy Date: January 2, 2004 at 19:30
Um... the Heart song "Barracuda?" Whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?

From: Great Dane Date: January 4, 2004 at 16:22
Thank GOD its underrated. And may it stay that way.

From: Fat Freddy Date: January 5, 2004 at 11:34
To Apoc_DOP: Your comment about Heart's "Barracuda" made me so curious that I pulled out this CD and listened to it for the first time in a while over the weekend... and I personally don't hear any song on it that sounds like "Barracuda." Which song were you referring to? Now I'm REALLY curious...

From: holyroller Date: February 25, 2004 at 23:09
Ok, sticking my foot out in the water here, but I actually have a soft spot for The Elder. By the way Fat Freddy, I'm guessing the "Barracuda Soundalike" is "The Oath". But there's way more hard rock songs in the key of E that sound way more like Barracuda. I suppose, compared to UB40, yes it sounds the same ;-)

From: Mickbeatle Date: July 15, 2004 at 12:57
"The Elder" is a great album. If your a person who loves rock operas, you are going to love this album! The songs are beatiful(even "A World Without Heroes"). I love this album and I think you should get it now!

From: Rycheage Date: July 15, 2004 at 21:53
'Music From The Elder' is a complete departure for KISS, but to me it works. They show their musicianship and the ability to pen a good song. The only song I don't think belongs is "Mr. Blackwell". The rest is an awe-inspiring concept album that works on all levels. I admit it is hard to picture KISS doing choir and orchestra music, but there is awesome rock here too. "The Oath", "Dark Light", "Escape From The Island" and "I" are the picks of the litter. Great stuff and highly recommended.

From: Keith Date: August 23, 2004 at 11:11
This is a superb album. The story is barely understandable but the songs are strong and true. The only downside here is that Ace does not play enough on this album (only one song). Songs like The Oath and I rock just as hard as anything else KISS has done, whilst A World Without Heroes is as touching as Beth. Sadly overlooked, but a real gem. Without doubt, one of the most emotional albums in the KISS album set.

From: Geoff Date: January 17, 2005 at 5:33
This is probably an album you have to "get" to enjoy. Although I got it, I didn't "get" it and I had to get rid of it. Interesting, I guess, but not really a very good or worthy album, IMO.

From: jrenato-Brazil Date: January 23, 2005 at 18:08
Well, I need to say it...KISS should never sound like this, but in the end... that's a good album.Not a GREAT album but it's ok... there's a lot of good songs.It's just a question of hearing it qith an open mind.

From: Big Mike Date: February 17, 2005 at 13:25
This is not a bad album but definitely not the album you want to introduce a new drummer with. Plus it was a concept album with a shit storyline. Of course the masses heard this album and saw the lineup change and decided KISS was finished. The damage had been done which was a pity because KISS did some great stuff in the 80's. Why do bands alienate their fans, I'll never understand. The elder is OK but not a KISS album as such. Its dark for the era and has some filler tracks aswell.

From: evileric71 Date: December 21, 2006 at 11:30
This album is actually a gem. Listen hard enough and you will enjoy it. And to the person who posted and said they hoped it would sound more like Creatures........ummmmmm. This album came before Creatures so there is no way that could happen.

From: Rafo Phoenix Date: May 12, 2007 at 12:31
Good Hard Rock, bueno viendo que hay pocos comentarios en nuestro idioma Español sobre esta banda clasica habra que decir algo, como la mayoria de sus trabajos en los 80's un Hard Rock comercial en otros casos facil ponerlo como Rock con su lado Melodico y de AOR pero casi todo lo hecho por ellos en los 80's tienen su gusto en este album el primer corte es la estrella del disco 7.5/10

From: fooge Date: August 12, 2008 at 0:31
I can understand why people don't like this album cause it's so different. But if bands don't evolve than they die. I love everything Kiss has ever done but this album has always been my personal favourite. It's just has so much emotion in it.

From: kai Date: August 24, 2008 at 20:18
Personaly, I think this is one of the most underrated records in hard rock history. Ok, it´s not the classic KISS fans wanted to hear in early 80s, but for me it is a very good album. I actually enjoy listening to tracks like "The Oath", "Only You", "I" and "Dark Light", the highlights of the record. A different KISS with a different approach to music.

From: shoemaker Date: October 17, 2009 at 16:03
I´m with kai on these one. One of KISS greatest moments!

From: pie75 Date: April 17, 2012 at 19:51
i can't beleive people say this is one of kiss' finest moments book into rehab the lot of you! a concept album is not for kiss alice cooper sure but not kiss it's not a bad album but not a memerable one either thank god creatures came soon after

From: rick kerch vzla Date: January 1, 2015 at 14:09
For some listeners,a quite difficult one to digest...for me it was just like a failed experiment,nothing to worry to much about..."The Oath"(the heaviest song of the Record),"A World Without Heroes"(nice),"Mr Blackwell" & "I" are fine ones but that it...50/100

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