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Artist: Europe

Title: Start From The Dark

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Category: Melodic Hard Rock

Year: 2004

Label: T&T / Sanctuary Records

Catalog Number: TT00642

Personnel

Joey Tempest Vocals
John Norum Guitar
John Levin Bass
Mic Michaeli Keyboards
Ian Haugland Drums

Tracks

1.	Got To Have Faith	3:10
2.	Start From The Dark	4:12
3.	Flames	3:55
4.	Hero	4:15
5.	Wake Up Call	4:14
6.	Reason	4:37
7.	Song No. 12	4:09
8.	Roll With You	4:30
9.	Sucker	3:42
10.	Spirit Of The Underdog	4:25
11.	America	3:35
12.	Settle For Love	3:49
Total Running Time:		48:33

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Existing comments about this CD

From: TIM (2)

Date: October 21, 2004 at 4:06

So here it is. Europe's very own 'Slang' or 'ShadowLife' or 'Ultraphobic' or 'Generation Swine' or 'Subhuman Race' etc. They'll survive this effort because it just about retains some elements of the past (the first 2 tracks are okay, and the production is HUGE), but who cares if they survive? I blame Norum. His latest solo efforts have been horrific. Whatever. This is modern and grungey, and lacks hooks and melodies, and is nothing short of a SELL-OUT. They should be ashamed of themselves. 4/10.

From: Kristian	Date: October 21, 2004 at 8:15
I agree with you TIM. Being swedish it's very hard to accept this album. I know it's not 1986 anymore, but Europe should stick to what made them successfull. This album feels like a commercial effort to make up for some of the money they lost when they went bankrupt. Im very disappointed in this.

From: Rene	Date: October 21, 2004 at 13:52
iF THIS album realy sound like those records TIM, then EUROPE dont deserve any respect anymore betraying their fans that made them millioners back in the 80s.

From: love metal	Date: October 21, 2004 at 16:00
i really liked the song 'SUCKER' the rest was not that good.

From: meradona	Date: October 21, 2004 at 16:07
prefiero no opinar, 2/10, triste, muy triste

From: Carl	Date: October 21, 2004 at 22:20
In the era of what is now passing itself as new rock/ metal, then this CD actually stands out like a shining gem. True, this CD isn't what Europe used to be, nor does it sound like the band we all knew and enjoyed. But compared to the trash that *rock* stations in the US play, then this is a slice o' fried gold.

From: Slikk Vicc	Date: October 23, 2004 at 4:56
Any rumours of a 'grunge tag' that will undoubtedly follow this release around are completely false and are normally applied by people that have never listened grunge closely or have an inability to move on from the past. Heavier, deeper grooves, deeper lyrics'.great album. Blows the f**k out of most mainstream rock acts''it smokes!!!

From: Carmine Rose	Date: October 23, 2004 at 9:19
Hey! If you were a member of a popular hair band, and you're reading this right now, listen up. YOUR FANS WILL HATE ALBUMS OF YOURS WITH A CHANGED SOUND, AND GRUNGE FANS WILL NOT BUY AN ALBUM BY A FORMER 80'S HAIR METAL BAND!!!

From: MelodicMan

Date: October 24, 2004 at 16:24

I could never put this album together with those listed by TIM(2), IMO they are far worst than Europe's new effort. But, of course, Start From The Dark is a very disappointing return. I liked 3 tracks (Got To Have Faith, Sucker and Hero), the other tracks are frm acceptable to horrible, but again, SFTD is better than Slang, Ultraphobic and MUCH better than Shadowlife, the worst album ever. Maybe if we could listen some keys things could be better...

From: Dusty

Date: October 25, 2004 at 7:16

you said it Carmine Rose! Some bands seem to think that if they change their sound to whatever is popular, they will increase albums ales because of all those fans of whatever is popular will buy it. But it's usually a poor effort, so neither the bands fans nor the fans of the music will buy it. But I think there's a lot of influence from record companies on that too... I'm going to see Europe in a few weeks, so i'm curious to see if the will play a a lot of the new stuff.

From: Deadboy	Date: October 25, 2004 at 9:58
FFS THIS IS NOT A GRUNGE ALBUM!!!!!!

From: Cleft Boot

Date: October 25, 2004 at 12:01

I agree with Carmine Rose! 80's fans will hate this release and avoid at all cost once they read the reviews and younger fans of 'new wave' rock won't cough up sixteen bucks for a band they remember their sister dancing to in Aqua Net and pink Lycra. I was a big Europe fan in the 80's and remember many complaining about the 'Prisoners In Paradise' release which I loved! That time they changed only enough to produce a slight edge for the 90's. This time...well, this time it's f*ckin' over!

From: wyrm	Date: October 26, 2004 at 7:24
I don't get it....this album surely isn't THAT bad??? I agree with krsitain: 'It's not 1986 anymore'. So they took the elements which made them big and took it to another level. In some magazines I read people call this the comeback of the year, I totally agree...

From: BOB	Date: October 26, 2004 at 18:13
Good comback, better then nothing at all from them. It's really heavyer than the last two, but that was years ago. Norum had much to say on this one, that we can hear. They are sure better live anyway. I saw them on the Sweden Rock Festival in the summer and this sunday (24/10)in Copenhagen, Denmark and that was a really good show.

From: Chuck

Date: October 26, 2004 at 23:53

Hello, i like this new europe record, must be boring to anyone to make always the same sound and also for some listeners. I am glad to hear different styled songs of the band. I see the quality of the band to adapt to the current sounds. Maybe some solos of Norum are just exercises and needs more melody, but just that. I am musician and I also have that feeling of make always new stuff. Would suck a same sound of the 80's, it can't be, and it is not for business is a matter of evolution. Q = 8

From: Dusty	Date: October 27, 2004 at 2:16
I agree with you that change can be good, if it shows some kind of musical growth. A lot of bands seem to change for commercial reasons, just to appeal to a broader audience. You have to be faithfull to your fans (imo)

From: Erik	Date: October 27, 2004 at 14:25
Yeah i am 16 i like the old Europe and i just download this album. It sucks and they will never make it around people my age so why try i say they go back to the way they use to be. Atleast they will sound good and have fans again.

From: Scandi

Date: October 28, 2004 at 8:04

Yesterday I saw them Live here in Hamburg/Germany. I wasn't sure what to expect from them BUT they played a lot of the older songs and those songs were the ones who came best to the fans (I guess EUROPE learned that they shouldn't change their style too much as I wrote in many magazines they would). The most LOVED songs were 'Rock the night', 'Superstisious', 'Cherokee' and -of course- 'THE FINAL COUNTDOWN' (that's my faves too) -->I think that says it all! However, I DO think their new album is

From: Scandi	Date: October 28, 2004 at 8:07
miles BETTER than the rest of new releases around. By the way, they are anything but 'grunge' since I listened to a couple of their new songs at the concert, let's be fair they are not that good that I bought the album right away BUT they are not as bad as well. 6/10

From: Hairspray

Date: October 30, 2004 at 9:27

Have you ever heard Grunge? It was certainly nothing like the new Europe offering. So the guitars sound heavier and dirtier, so what. If they did another 'Final Countdown' you'd be saying they are cashing in. It is not the 80's any more so why can't the band evolve a slightly different sound? I think it's great and can't wait to catch their London show. Just broaden your musical outlook/tastes and stop whinging... Next you'll be crying about Poison not wearing make up anymore!!!!!

From: Great Dane	Date: October 30, 2004 at 14:25
Ha ha. Youre right. This is an excellent album.........NOT GRUNGE. Hard Rock fans are just about the most conservative bastards around. Love this comment. Next you'll be crying about Poison not wearing make up anymore!!!!! Ha ha ha .

From: Carmine Rose

Date: October 30, 2004 at 18:53

When I said what I said above, I was kind of jumping the gun in reference to this album. I still stand by what I said about bands trying to go modern, and that going modern is counterproductive, because it is. Motley Crue tried it and the album flopped on its ass, same with Skid Row and Def Leppard. But I did hear the song Got To Have Faith, and while the music isn't bad, Joey's voice has a lost a step or ten. I mean, he's lost everything that gave him his validity as the singer of Europe...

From: Carmine Rose	Date: October 30, 2004 at 18:55
...I heard samples of a few other songs from melodicrock.com, and they showed the same thing, good slightly heavier music (NOT grunge), but without Joey's voice behind it. Whoever's in Europe CLAIMING that he's Joey Tempest, tell me something. WHERE'S THE REAL JOEY TEMPEST AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH HIM?

From: Carmine Rose	Date: October 30, 2004 at 18:59
Oh yeah one more thing. Disregarding the fact that Europe is on a half-ass record label now, had this album been released right after The Final Countdown, it would have flopped on its ass just like any other band (except Van Halen, with Hagar) who tried to put out a different sound and gain a new audience.

From: Rick/Holland

Date: November 1, 2004 at 6:16

C'mon everybody, This is an KILLER ALBUM, Listen to this album again and again and again and you learn to love it!! This album is much, MUCH better than Prisoners in paradise & Out of this world. Only Wings of tomorrow & The final countdown are a little better i think! Best songs: Flames (REAL KILLER SONG), Start from the dark, Wake up call, Spirit of the underdog & America GIVE THIS WONDERFUL ALBUM A FAIR CHANCE!!

From: mark free	Date: November 3, 2004 at 9:23
shit.. this is not europe !!! 1/10 fucking ultraphobic..

From: Jacky	Date: November 8, 2004 at 7:58
Great record, very powerful, I see the gig in Milan, Italy last week and the new tunes are sounding great even better than the old songs. Mr. Norum is a great axeman and a lots of new bands have a lot to learn from these guys. It's great to be back such a band! Anyway, I want to add 2 things: Ultraphobic & Slang are great records. Stop writing in spanish.

From: David Gil

Date: November 8, 2004 at 19:46

I saw them here in Spain, in LorcaRock and they were magic. I think this album is the best album of the year with no discuss. It has dramatism power and melody and is an 'in your face' cd.It's like the last solo album from Joey, but harder... for me is perfect! they have changed with the times and it wouldn't be right another 'Out of this world' in 2004, this album sound fresh and direct and is tracking down on my cd player everyday. I give it a 9/10. For contact: davidgilvallejo@wanadoo.es

From: thegram	Date: November 9, 2004 at 13:26
hello all you critics this europes best album since the final countdown and is a step in the right direction and all the songs are great

From: Muddley	Date: November 9, 2004 at 23:34
Youre right. Dette album er skide fedt og jeg ville give 1000 kroner for at nakke Tone Norum i stjernen.

From: Maurice	Date: November 10, 2004 at 3:53
C'est vraiment un album 'trange, moiti' excellent, moiti' mauvais. Bref, un retour tr's surprenant... 5/10

From: Federico

Date: November 14, 2004 at 12:54

Like some other people here, I was hoping for a new The Final countdown, so I was very dissapointed from Start from the dark. Getting over the fact that they want to sound different, I've found some songs nice and some ohters boring 6/10 is my rate. I hope that Europe will do like like TNT, after some modern stuff they will come back to the mighty 80s melodic hard rock, and make a materpiece like 'My religion'. My hope for this wonderful sound are now on the danish Fate.

From: Dusty	Date: November 22, 2004 at 3:35
heard them live last week, they were awesome! The new songs really sounded great live. I love Wake up call! It's good to see that bands like this are still able to give a great show. Europe rocks!!

From: Hairspray	Date: November 22, 2004 at 4:17
I agree, the new songs do sound great live but so do the old ones too!! I saw them in London and despite them not playing 'Prisoners in Paradise' 'Halfway to Heaven' or 'More Than Meets the Eye' they were fantastic....Europe: Keep on walking that road and I'll follow

From: ERIK	Date: November 27, 2004 at 21:09
I saw them live recently, and they kicked ass! Especially Joey Tempest!!! This record is NOT grunge, and it's not sell out. It's back to the roots with a modern touch. The songs are not so good, but it's worth getting just for the opening track.

From:

Date: November 30, 2004 at 22:42

hello people! its martin from argentina!!! RIGHT!! todays europe its not the one we used to hear..but..as the name...of the band,,wich is importante..in this,,years,,they have to SEll..so..they have to adapt..their music..to todays shit music..but..for fans..they are still europe..the album isnt bad..but..is another story!! times has changed..bands..to...so..let them an oportunit.. BUUUT! if you want to hear bands with..BALLS!! to play 80's music.. hear PINK CREAM 69 , 21 guns

From: TIM (2)	Date: December 2, 2004 at 6:19
I was in Belgium with work recently and saw a big new poster of Europe with their tour dates on, and in blank pen across the poster it said 'SOLD OUT'. Oh the irony.

From: z4roxx	Date: December 14, 2004 at 18:00
SORRY EUROPE BUT LAST ALBUM....FUCKING BAD!!MODERN STYLE,NOT A EUROPE RELEASE!I'VE SEEN THEM IN MILAN,GREAT AS ALWAYS BUT THEY COME BACK WITHOUT A NEW CD....

From: howe

Date: December 16, 2004 at 8:39

Europe is one of those bands that express a certain time and a certain trend in the music they make. When the band recorded The Final Countdown that was the right album in 1986. Now, in 2004, this is the right album again! I love the songs and I love when bands manage to understand the new 'formulas' that captivate the public. Great album! 'Got to have faith', 'Hero' and 'Reason' are my favorites.

From: Sergio	Date: December 19, 2004 at 11:50
You can't stand listening to it more than once. It really sucks. The guys should be ashamed.

From: Tom Bombadil	Date: December 19, 2004 at 21:15
Nah your wrong, you are just to narrowminded, listen to the lyrics, and play, it has some amazing songs

From: Geoff

Date: December 20, 2004 at 3:38

I think John Norum ruins this album and makes me wish once more it had been Kee at the guitar helm. That said, songs 2-9 are pretty much all good slabs of heavy rock. I really dig 'Hero', and 'Start from the dark' is great too. Basically, the rest of the band sound awesome, Joey's voice is excellent and his songwriting is a highlight for me. I like what Joey does here and I like what the rest do here. IMO, John is all that f*cks this album up. One toned down riff is cool, but 12? Annoying guitar

From: JAN	Date: December 22, 2004 at 12:16
KICK ASS ALBUM

From: ANDERS	Date: January 4, 2005 at 12:36
FUCKING AWESOME ALBUMS KILLER GUITARS A LITTLE BIT DARK BUT IS EUROPE.YOU ROCK 7.8

From: JAY JAY ANT	Date: January 7, 2005 at 12:26
NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE THIS AWESOME EFFORT.TH FOLLOWUP WILL BE SO MUCH BETTER.I LIKE IT.GREAT ALBUM BUY.

From: Stu	Date: January 10, 2005 at 15:03
I can't believe the amount of bad reviews for this cd. This is one of the best cd's of 2004 (along with the new TNT CD). The songwriting & musicianship are incredible & the mixture of ballads & rockers make this a must have in your Europe collection. Don't read the bad reviews and purchase this awesome cd, it really is very good.

From: Great Dane	Date: January 10, 2005 at 17:08
Stu, you have to accept the fact that the readers of Heavyharmonies are EXTREMELY 'stuck' in the 80's. This is a fantastic release, and I love it. One of the best Hard Rock releases of 2004.

From: z4roxx	Date: January 10, 2005 at 18:40
People,I don t believe how this release could like,if you consider a new band of modern hard rock it's a thing,but that's AN EUROPE RELEASE!people waited more 10 years to listen this one???I can t believe that this cd could like...I like old Europe,I am the only one?????I don t think this....

From: Sergio	Date: January 11, 2005 at 16:39
No z4roxx, you're not the only one who think this is crap, and yes, great dane, i'm EXTREMELY stuck in the 80's, but i really like bands like 7TH HEAVEN and VONRAY. BTW, i'm still thinking that CRYSTAL BLUE-DETOUR is 1000 times better than this.

From: z4roxx

Date: January 11, 2005 at 20:38

Thanx again Sergio for your support!I've seen Europe live in Milan,really crap!Tempest is finished as singer,every old tracks was re-arranged in low tonality because his voice is dead!ahahaha!!Crystal blue another God band for me!'Detour'masterpiece but it's in the same style as'caught in the game',very little difference between old cd's and the new one.If you love Crystal blue I recommend you Return,another awesome and original band...regards!

From: Giouri_G

Date: January 13, 2005 at 5:34

Some may call me crazy but I enjoyed most of this album. I agree that it is way different from everything they tried in the past but So What? The title track is OUTSTANDING, but also Got To Have Faith, Sucker, Wake Up Call and Spirit Of The Underdog are standouts.. Listen to it carefully and you'll see that it's not the crap you all 've been talking about.. PS Joey Is a bit older, Lads.. You can't expect him to sing like in 'Europe' or 'Final Countdown' etc etc

From: Geoff

Date: January 13, 2005 at 6:52

In my initial review I dwelled on the point that I thought Norum ruined the album and that's still my view, but I'm surprised at just how harsh some are being. I find it unfortunate when people cannot appreciate a good song outside of a specific genre. No offence to anyone, but there are some very good songs here to appreciate like 'Hero', 'Start from the dark' etc. I know it's disappointing for big keyboard fans, but a good song is a good song IMO. Give it a go- it's certainly no 'Shadowlife'.

From: z4roxx

Date: January 13, 2005 at 19:46

Geoff,I agree with you but...in my opinion that's not an Europe release!Sorry if I repeat this thing but it's so!That's a very good modern hard rock release,few keyboards,strong guitars with modern sounding ext..yes,some songs not bad but Europe had to come back with an old school aor release,not with this one.That's my thinkin'(and maybe mant people can think as me).Maybe one of the best come back could be Talk of the town of some years ago

From: z4roxx	Date: January 13, 2005 at 19:53
Hey Giouri_G,ok Tempest is not a guy but...do you ever heard Biff of Saxon??maybe he has 54/56 years and..what a voice!!Tempest after Europe split-up around 1991/92 gone to do country or rock style and tymbrical voice maybe changes and you cannot come back if you don t have voice to do aor anymore.Ok that Europe need of J.Tempest but....

From: AOR freaky	Date: January 16, 2005 at 14:02
Another 'big' name jumping on the modern/alternative bandwagon. A real sell out ! Very disappointing. They can do so much better !

From: Harry	Date: January 25, 2005 at 13:06
'Hero' is IMO the best track off this album. But every song here is simply awesome. My favorite cd from 2004.

From: perry.k

Date: January 26, 2005 at 12:46

Along with BON JOVI,DEF LEPPARD,KISS(80s),WHITESNAKE(87/89),this band has been the soundtrack of my childhood.O.k i realize now its mid00s not some 20years ago,but this cd is the ultimate 'malakia'.In english total bullshit.what's the meaning of a reunion if it's to destroy the mythical name you've created in the past,by releasing such crap?I can compromise with a modern production,but this shitty,alternative/ grunge/trendy,neo-rock sound;NO WAY!Hope they meet comercial failure with thatcrap

From: perry.k

Date: January 26, 2005 at 13:02

What's wrong with legendary 80s heroes like EUROPE,BON JOVI,D.LEPPARD, KING KOBRA,SCORPIONS,DOKKEN etc,and they release non-ipressive albums (in best case) the last 12years or so?Well maybe it was the BIG HAIR thing and when the bighair went away,so the inspiration did(haha)anywa a HUGE SALUTE to all those bands 4 the great times we spent listening to their songs and 4 the memories we keep in our minds and hearts 4ever.

From: Geoff

Date: January 27, 2005 at 3:08

LOL, Perry! I used to think that too, that all their talent must have been in their hair! Poison, Bon Jovi, Warrant, Motley Crue, Dokken etc. How the mighty fell, but at least there are still plenty that fly the flag high. When you look at it, it was mostly the bigger, more 'popular' bands that really went to shit (except Tesla). Still, I heard this again and tracks like 'Hero', 'Start from the dark', 'Flames', 'Reason' and 'Sucker' are all great tunes. Good - though different - album.

From: Giouri_G	Date: February 5, 2005 at 10:00
I've seen Biff Byford live and i agree he's a great voice. But i still believe that Joey even in his lower tonalities is a great singer. Far more complete than Biff, and he's a great composer too!

From: CACHORLA	Date: February 7, 2005 at 19:12
GREAT RETURN!! GREAT BAND , GREAT ALBUM ,GREAT SONGS CONGRATULATIONS EUROPE FOR NOMINATION FOR THE GRAMMY 2004 'THE BEST ALBUM OF HARD ROCK' 9/10

From: AOR freaky	Date: February 8, 2005 at 5:08
I'm afraid I have to disagree. The guitars are way to down tuned, trying to sound modern. Another band not thinking about their fans, but thinking of making easy money !

From: Erik	Date: February 8, 2005 at 5:16
I am going along with AOR freaky here. This is a band that forgets their roots and is going for the easy cash(in). Tooooo modern sounding. If you are/were in the 'old' Europe style then you better avoid this.

From: wyrm

Date: February 8, 2005 at 6:09

'easy cash(in)'???? What would be easier than recording 'the final countdown prt2'? No easy cashin' here! It takes balls to come up with an album like this: High quality melodic rock, but with a twist, not something all fans expect. I also don't think that the music you'll find on this disc is MTV material, so they are NOT going for the $$, but 'just' made an album from the heart. Well done, screw the critics!

From: AOR freaky

Date: February 8, 2005 at 6:53

Wyrm : stuff like 'the final countdown ' is no longer in, mate ! You have to use grunts and down tuned guitars to be hot these days ! And that's just what Europe did. Trying to be popular and in, so they can make a lot of easy money ! If they released a second 'The Final Countdown' only their loyal fans (already older and probably no longer buying CD's) should have bought it ! And if you call this quality 'melodic' rock, there's something wrong with your ears ! Where's the melody here ?????? !

From: Erk	Date: February 8, 2005 at 10:57
Balls to release some sort of grunge ? If Europe really had balls they would have released an album thats really about melodic rock. Like they did in the past. And not this alternative make a quick buck crap.

From: z4roxx	Date: February 8, 2005 at 12:25
Great Aor Freaky,this cd worth nothin'!!!!I would see canceled this one from the site!!!

From: z4roxx	Date: February 8, 2005 at 12:31
I don't know how they can do easy money with this modern shit soundin'...I was a huge fan of Europe but for this one I didn't waste a cd-r anyway....Probably they have new fans of this genre but how many old fans did they lost with this tragic reunion cd???????

From: Nanteau

Date: February 8, 2005 at 14:27

Guess they didn't lost as much fans as you think Roxxy Whatever, the truth lies in the middle like always. Truely the guitars are weak -always the same 'down tuned' stuff- but if you are a EUROPE 'fan' not just someone who jumped on the train named THE FINAL COUNTDOWN you still like them 'cos what's with their first two releases e.g. ???? I would have loved them for a new THE FINAL COUNTDOWN for the memory of the 80s but here are still some (-few-)melodies in here.

From: Geoff

Date: February 9, 2005 at 1:50

I have to agree with Wyrm here. Like this album or not, these guys did not choose this style to 'cash in'. I honestly believe they'd have had a better shot if they released an album like 'The Final countdown', and agree that this was the route to go in order NOT to make some dollars, abandoning a lot of fans stuck to the early sound. But for many, there are still great songs here and it's just what the guys are into these days - these kind of songs, so they recorded them because they wanted to.

From: Thomas	Date: February 13, 2005 at 15:06
best album of hard rock 2004 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: ace66	Date: February 14, 2005 at 9:23
This is not old Europe,but this certainly is welcome.Good job Mr Tempest and band.Solid and memorable songwriting!!

From: Magnus G	Date: February 17, 2005 at 3:38
Hated it at first, but now I really like it. Hero, Wake up call, Roll with you, Sucker and Settle for love are all very good songs.

From: Erik	Date: February 17, 2005 at 6:51
Hated it when first listening to it and still hate it. Avoid.

From: Richard

Date: February 19, 2005 at 2:38

Going modern or shifting to different styles is ok, only when you do it gradually. When a band Like House of lords, Dokken etc. goes away for a while then comes back. They have to play to the fans that was there for them when they or change their name. Dokken made the mistake with shadow life, it flopped. Their new albums are closer to their old style taking into consideration that Pilson and Lynch are gone. If they have stayed together all along and made the change gradually, it may have a chan

From: Swriter	Date: February 19, 2005 at 20:28
well, you would think with all the AOR rebirth that Europe would do the type of tunes we all love them to do, instead, they did this album, not bad, just not Europe, I really do enjoy the first few songs, but after that, I lose interest and seem to go back to the first few songs. Well, we can hope for a return to form I guess!!!

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From: Whiplash1972	Date: February 19, 2005 at 21:06
Mauricio y amigos. ..please toma las conversaciones muy LARGAS para mandar correo electr�nico o los mensajes privados, la secci�n de comentarios aqu� en Armon�as Pesadas no es el lugar para lo.

From: ALEJANDRO	Date: February 19, 2005 at 21:11
this cd sucks 0/10 thanks Whiplash 1972

From: Manichino bravo	Date: February 19, 2005 at 21:15
Fortunately All spanish stupid comments have already been removed!Thanx Heavy Harmonies bannin'these idiots!!!

From: Rafo Phoenix	Date: February 19, 2005 at 21:27
This not is Europe, for me is other Poor band of this Era. Europe Magic were in the 80. 2/10 This is pure Crap.

From: Rafo Phoenix	Date: February 19, 2005 at 21:30
This isn't Europe, for me is other Poor band of this Era. Europe Magic were in the 80. 1/10

From: Muddley	Date: February 20, 2005 at 2:35
Couldn't agree more.

From: MAUKA	Date: February 20, 2005 at 10:48
THAT's true the europe's magic has gone but with others winds of change. john norum is the real guilty of that result 8/5

From: HENRY_LEDESM	Date: February 20, 2005 at 16:08
YEEEEEEAHHHHHH GREAT ALBUM !!!!!!!!! GREAT BACK

From: andres	Date: February 21, 2005 at 9:51
Europe son un grupo de musicos con unas influencias muy cabronas para hacer una vaina como esta fue la decepcion del 2004 un regreso muy esperado y una respuesta que es una falta de respeto a sus fans haciendo esta asquerosa mezcla de grunge y 'new metal'BARATO que nadie va comprar ojala el siguiente cd (si es que hay)sea como cualquiera de sus 5 primeros albums PESIMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1/10

From: DIEGO	Date: February 25, 2005 at 12:42
SIN DUDAS LA MEJOR VUELTA DEL A'O Y UN DISCO LLENO DE MELODIAS Y RITMOS PESADOS LA EVOLUCION ES CLARA MAL QUE LE PESE A ALGUNOS HAY GRANDES TEMAS GRAN PRODUCCION Y GRANDES ARREGLOS PARA MI COMO PARA MUCHOS EL MEJOR DISCO DEL 2004 Y GRACIAS POR VOLVER LA VERDAD LOS EXTRA'ABA EUROPE !!!!! SALUDOS DESDE MEXICO !!!!!!!!!!

From: CHARLY

Date: February 25, 2005 at 13:27

HOLAAAA SALUDOS DESDE ARGENTINA ESTE ES UN GRAN DISCO DESDE DONDE SE MIRE CON UNA EVOLUCION DE 5 MUSICOS DE LA PUTA MADRE UN RETORNO ESPERADO POR MUCHISIMA GENTE ENTRE LOS CUALES ME INCLUYO NO ME DEFRAUDO PARA NADA SI CAUSA SORPRESA ESTE SONIDO PERO MUESTRA UNA EVOLUCION PARA MEJOR SIGIE SIENDO EUROPE MAS FUERTE Y CON MUCHA MELODIA ESE EL SELLO DE EUROPE PODRAN IMITARLOs PERO JAMAS IGUALARLOs PARA MI ESTE DISCO SE MERECE UN 8/10 GRAN DISCO!!!!!!

From: europe fan

Date: February 26, 2005 at 18:45

ESTE CD ES UNA MIERDA SE LO MIRE POR DONDE SE LO MIRE NO TIENE NI PIES NI CABEZA ES UN BODRIO 'MODERNO' QUE SE ENMARCA DENTRO LAS PUTAS MODAS QUE NO TIENEN LA MAS MINIMA TRACENDENCIA DESPUES DE 1 O 2 A'OS Y PASA COMPLETAMENTE DESAPERCIBIDO COMPARAR ESTO CON SUS ANTERIORES OBRAS MAESTRAS ES COMO COMPARAR EL DIA Y LA NOCHE CON UNA BUENA PRODUCCION Y LA TECNOLOGIA ACTUAL PODIAN HABER HECHO UN CD DE PUTA MADRE COMO HICIERON MUCHISIMOS GRUPOS CLASICOS ES UNA PENA POR EUROPE QUE HAGAN ROCK BARATO

From: Joan	Date: February 27, 2005 at 16:44
Se han lucido. 3/10

From: Manichino bravo	Date: February 27, 2005 at 20:31
ja-ja- que falta de personaloidad tienen andres y europe fan,sigo con mi burla jajaja a lo que llega este tipo llamado alejandro.sigues siendo el payaso king of stupids haciendote de nombres falsos vete a oir tus discos de manowar por favor tio tonto ya sabemos quien sos no te hagas el barato.

From: Jesus!	Date: February 28, 2005 at 8:27
When I want 80's hard rock I just buy a cd from the 80's. We can only thank a musician who is able to give us music that reflects his time time and that builds bridges to the future. Europe survived the 'I hate myself and I want to die' mood of the 90's and now they give us this masterpiece of 2000's hard rock! 9/10

From: Metal T	Date: February 28, 2005 at 17:52
...Wow !--Its not everyday that the great lord and savior stops by Heavy Harmonies to drop a post .

From: Dean	Date: March 1, 2005 at 11:19
What do you mean-i talk to him everyday

From: RAMYRO

Date: March 3, 2005 at 12:38

SEGUN MI OPINION ESTE ES UN GRAN DISCO DONDE SE REFLEJA EL ESPIRITU DE EUROPE EN LA MELODIA Y EL QUE DIGA LO CONTRARIO ES PORQUE NO LO ESCUCHO ES UN DISCO CON GNADES TEMAS COMO STAR FORM THE DARK, HERO, WAKE UP CALL, FLAMES, AMERICA, GOT TO HAVE FAITH Y MAS...... SONIDOS PESADOS Y MELODIA UNA GRAN VUELTA MAL QUE LE PESE A ALGUNOS NO POR NADA FUE NOMINADO COMO MEJOR DISCO DEL 2004 Y ADEMAS EN MUCHSO SITIOS DE INTERENET ESTUVO TAMBIEN ELGIDO COMO LO NEJOR DEL A'O QUE PASO SALUDOS

From: onemorecast	Date: March 3, 2005 at 23:29
Thanks, I won't even bother with it.

From: Paolo

Date: March 8, 2005 at 5:46

the point is very simple here....good hard rock record but not the kinda sound we like best!!!...they are not EUROPE anymore,I mean the guys are the same but not the music!!!...so they could have chosen a different name to record this one...I am disappointed cause I'M SURE that Joey would be able to write an INCREDIBLE AOR RECORD like OUT OF THIS WORLD nowadays in 2005...do you agree with me guys????

From: Froilann	Date: March 8, 2005 at 20:23
hey!!!!! great album, great songs EUROPE FOR EVER !!!!!!!!!! 8/10

From: JORGE_CODAROCK

Date: March 14, 2005 at 11:34

POR FAVOR LOS QUE DICEN QUE ES UN BUEN DISCO SIGNIFICA QUE NO HAN ESCUCHADO LOS DEMAS, LA VERDAD CREO QUE LA PERDICION DE ESTA BANDA FUE QUERER VENDER, AL MOMENTO DE HACER ROCK Y QUERER VENDER Y NO TOCAR LO QUE VERDADERAMENTE TE GUSTA Y TOCAR LO QUE ANDA DE MODA CON TODO RESPETO PORKE YO TAMBIEN TOCO Y TOCO ROCK OCHENTERO VALEN VERGA.. SI EUROPE, QUIERE ESTAR A LA MODA QUE PORFAVOR NO ENSUCIE ESE NOMBRE LEGENDARIO DEL HARD ROCK DE LOS 80 QUE SE PONGA OTRO NOMBRE Y NO ENSUCIE A LA LEYENDA QUE ES

From: Beto

Date: March 16, 2005 at 20:38

Borraron mi comentario que no ten'a nada que ver con los insultos que tuvimos que seguir los de habla castellana. Bueno aqui voy de nuevo no es lo que esperaba por ah' una que otra pero no llega al nivel de anta'o. Parecen un grupo de hard rock de los noventa; aquellos grupos que se pasaron a esa moda para poder sobrvivir sin embargo el hard mel'dico esta volviendo poco a poco y espero que Europe para el proximo vuelva m's mel'dico por que aqu' le falta bastante y sobre todo no hay teclados.

From: Beto	Date: March 16, 2005 at 20:40
Coincido con Sergio compre Crystal Blue si no les gusto este disco.

From: RamyLarson

Date: March 20, 2005 at 16:45

INSISTO ,ESTE ES UN GRAN DISCO POR DONDE SE ESCUCHE Y LOS QUE NO SEAN CAPACES DE ACEPTAR LOS CAMBIOS, PUES SE PIERDEN DE ESCUCHAR A UNA DE LAS BANDAS MAS GRANDES DE HARD ROCK DE LA HISTORIA este disco es un 8/10 con muy buenos temas .puro hard rock ahhh y para los que dicen de que si lo hacen por vender o no, terminemos con esas mentiras. Todos los artistas desde el momento que editan un disco es para vender.

From: CHARLSYN	Date: March 20, 2005 at 16:47
GUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUU !!!!!1 GREAT SONGS ,GREAT CD EUROPE FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Augusto

Date: March 23, 2005 at 13:24

No entiendo. Por que se gastan tantas palabras en un disco que no es hard ni aor? no se peleen por nada, utilicen las ganas de expresar en cds que sean de la musica que nos gusta,hay muchas obras maestras para charlar, y gastan los comentarios en este disco, que encima tengo que aguantar que en la portatda diga EUROPE, este disco no hace honor a ese nombre, asi que a otra cosa, gasten palabras para cds buenos. Saludos

From: Tony

Date: March 25, 2005 at 17:53

It's a little too 'convinient' for bands of this ilk in that if you say you don't like this disc they just think 'Oh they're stuck in the 80's'. I WANT progression in my bands and while there are some great moments here ('Hero', 'Roll With You') there are also moments (Song# 12) where these guys follow every unoriginal 'modern' rock cliche in the book it's embarassing. One of those 50/50 discs. The great songs are GREAT but when they try to impress how 'deep' they are it's audio torture!

From:	Date: March 26, 2005 at 16:19
We pretend the '80 Europe. We mean,We love the melodic tracks in some pretty beautiful albums. The songs we like are, for example, the final countdown, rock the night, heart of stone, on the loose.... These were EUROPE, not the guys in the last album PLEASE HELP US TO MAKE THE REAL EUROPE COME BACK

From: Ivan Hard	Date: April 6, 2005 at 11:40
The album of year...GREAT !!!

From: marco paulo	Date: April 6, 2005 at 15:26
hi i'm from portugal and this album is europe's worst ever albun in their whole history. this is nothing but alternative crap! you want to listen to modern european bands try SONATA ARCTICA. until europe streightens out (i hope) i can sincerly say - THEYRE FINISHED! such a shame i used to love this band and i'm only 19 years old.

From: SEBAS	Date: April 16, 2005 at 17:22
EL DISCO DEL 2004 UN REGRESO CON TODOOOOO SONIDOS PESADOS Y MELODIA ES 100 0.000000E+00UROPE AUNQUE ALGUNOS LES CUESTE ASIMILARLO UN GRAN DISCO PARA MI UN 8/10

From: Paul Stead

Date: April 17, 2005 at 18:38

If all the songs on 'SFTD' were as good as 'Flames', 'Hero', 'Wake Up Call', 'Spirit Of The Underdog' & 'Sucker' then this would have been a superb modern melodic hard rock album - sadly though there were too many fillers - which is why I gave this 7.5... One other thing though, the first 5 EUROPE albums all had individuality - this is no different except it's lost the big choruses - which, sadly - was EUROPE!

From: GLAM FAN	Date: April 18, 2005 at 6:32
This album is even worse than the final countdown which at least good good weaks and good combination of melody and arena rock. But this album has got weak hooks and the songs sound uninspired. A big disappointment.

From: ERIC ST MICHAEL	Date: April 29, 2005 at 16:39
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH GREAT ALBUM !!!!!!!!!!! 9/10 GREAT ROCKERS SONGS !!!!!!!

From: CoRu�aRocks

Date: May 20, 2005 at 8:14

Uhmm , ni fu ni fa... Si te gustaban los europe grandes de los ochenta , aqui vas a encontrar retazos de su magia , como en Hero... pero creo que este disco se ha dejado influenciar m's por el nuevo metal que por la historia de esta gran banda. Opino que la vuelta ten'a que haber sido tb con Kee, siempre quise ver a Europe con Kee y Norum (aunque este ultimo parece estar un poco perdido musicalmente respecto a lo que fu') Para m' este disco es 7/10, engordando la nota al maximo...

From: Bobby De	Date: May 31, 2005 at 4:54
What can i say, not only is this albm a giant slap in the face to their fans and also NEWCOMERS BEING BORN into the scene. But the live show was just as bad. Please skip the BORING TOUR. For the few, that were fooled into going to the live show, what a sea of disappointed faces. If we only knew the horrible song list. Ive seen people have more fun at an insurance seminar! wow!

From: Guille	Date: June 4, 2005 at 15:09
Hero un clasico de Europe!!!

From: le_baron_boy

Date: August 30, 2005 at 21:13

MUY BUEN DISCOOOOOOOOO LO MEJOR DEL 2004!!!!!!!!!! SI DUDAS UN SONIDO DISTINTO AL DE LOS 80 PERO LA MELODIA ESTA PRESENTE EN TODOS SUS TEMAS EL UNICO TEMA MALO DEL DISCO ES SONG 12 QUE ESTE TEMA SI NO TIEN NADA QUE VER OCN EL ESTILO DE LA BANDA PERO NO LO DUDEN DENLE UNA ESCUCHADA A ESTE DISCO QUE ES LO MEJOR DEL 2004 Y MAS AUN UNA VUELTA ESPERADA POR MUCHOS LA ESTA ENORME BANDA DE HARD ROCK!!!!!!!! Y QUE SIGA LA FIESTA SALUDOS DESDE ARGENTINA VIVA EL HARD ROCK!!!!!!!!!!

From: z4roxx	Date: October 13, 2005 at 13:13
Again:what a pity J.Tempest voice,weak melodies and too much modern for my taste,but I am honest,I like some track'

From: Mediaab

Date: December 7, 2005 at 10:07

At first I was a little disappointed in the fact that Europe have moved quite much away from their 'older sound' on Start from the dark. But after getting into the new album more, it grows like hell on you! I love the old stuff, but still I like this new one very much too. Start from the dark, Hero, Flames, Wake up call are some of the best tracks. Song no.12 does not fit Europe that well..., but the rest are good tracks and I'd give this cd at least 8/10. It got balls!!

From: cesar	Date: January 31, 2006 at 19:42
no fue un retorno fue un retontos de pena

From: johnk5150	Date: March 13, 2006 at 18:00
Man are people dogging this one. Besides the sound of the guitar, this record reminds me of the first two albums before they became just another poodle rock band. It flat out rocks.

From: jmikep

Date: June 30, 2006 at 9:49

Loved it. The poodle-haired, keyboard fluffed Europe albums of the mid-80s never did anything for me. The first two and Prisoners in Paradise were solid albums, but this one just stomps on all three of those. I love the darker tone and the focus on the guitars as opposed to the keys. Yeah, Norum is getting a little too modern for my taste, but he still writes great riffs, and this album is full of them.

From: ROBERT	Date: September 9, 2006 at 11:27
Vaya Temazo: WAKE UP CALL!! por cierto, ya esta por ahi el nuevo disco: SECRET SOCIETY!!! y no os podeis perder el Primer Pedazo d Single: ALWAYS THE PRETENDERS!!!!!Me encanta!!

From: mauricio

Date: September 11, 2006 at 19:22

para ROBERT colega,la verdad para serte honesto y despejar dudas yo crei que este nuevo album ya casi por salir SECRET SOCIETY seria diferente al este,pero por lo visto tras oir los samples ,no es mas que otra continuacion de este START FROM THE DARK,el sonido es el mismo modernon.no me convencen estos samples y si compraria el disco seria como tronpezar de nuevo con la misma piedra y seguir tronpezando con el mismo pie.y me temo que sea asi y la piedra en el zapato es john norum

From: mauricio	Date: September 11, 2006 at 19:24
para que tengan una idea como sera ese nuevo disco y como dice el dicho EN GUERRA AVISADA NO MUERE SOLDADO,para que despues nadie se lleve un alegron de burro,saludos a todos

From: SuperRockero	Date: September 28, 2006 at 8:46
Fu** este album es una porqueria puro sonido moderno sin gusto ni clase y le_baron_boy asi que esto para ti fue el disco del año anda a comentar en foros de bandas alternativas nu metal y basuras como esas que es para ti que naco este tipo ajajaja

From: le_baron_boy

Date: September 28, 2006 at 16:19

ESTE ALBUM MI ESTIMADO SUPERROCKERO ES SIN DUDAS DE LO MEJOR Y SI SABES ALGO DE MUSICA NO PUEDES COMPARAR ESTE ALBUM CON NADA QUE TENGA QUE VER CON EL ÑU NI ALTERNATIVO NI NADA DE ESAS COSAS ES UN DISCO 100% HARD ROCK PURO Y PURO EUROPE POR MAA QUE LAS GUITARRAS ESTEN AFIANDAS DISTINTAS Y SUENEN MAS GRAVES EL ESPIRITU Y LA ESENCIA ES LA MISMA ESO ES EUROPE Y SI EN MUCHOS SITIOS FUE ELEGIDO COMO LO MEJOR DEL AÑO Y EN MUCHOS OTROS APARECIO ENTRE LOS PRIMEROS LUGARES ES ASI MAL QUE TE PESE

From: le_baron_boy	Date: September 28, 2006 at 16:22
OTRA COSA MAS SUPERROCKERO SECRET SOCIETY NO TIENE NADA QUE VER CON START FORM THE DARK BASTA CON ESCUCHARLO SONIDOS Y GUITARRAS DISTINTAS PERO COMO DIJE ANTERIORMENTE , EL ESPIRITU Y LA ESENCIA ES LA MISMA ES EUROPE 100% Y 100% DE HARD ROCK,HOY POR HOY EUROPE ES LA UNICA BADA QUE PUEDE MANTENER ALTO EL HARD ROCK

From: le_baron_boy

Date: September 28, 2006 at 16:25

SINO MIRA DONDE ESTAN OTRAS BANDAS COMO BON JOVI O DEF LEPPARAD SOLO CON ESCUCHAR SUS ULTMOS DISCOS O BANDAS COMO TALISMAN O WINGER QUE TAMBIEN SON BUENAS SUS ULTIOS DISCOS NO APORTAN NADA Y NI MENCIONAR A WHITESNAKE QUE AHCE 10 AÑOS QUE NO SACA UN DISCO Y SIN EMBARGO COVERDALE SIGUE CURRANDO CON EL NOMBRE WHITESNAKE , TODAS ESTAS BANDAS QUE NOMBRE SON BUENAS PEROO ESTAN TODAS UNOS ESCALONES POR DEBAJO DE EUROPE TAMBIEN MAL QUE TE PESE. SALU2

From: PATRICIA

Date: September 28, 2006 at 16:42

Coincido con le_baron_boy creo que es muy acertado lo que dice, no se puede negar la evolucion ni ser tan cerrados, el ejemplo seria este " si europe hubiera vuelto para hacer lo msimo todos les hubieran caido encima diciendo cosas como volvieron para robar hacer lo mismo no evlovionan , estan terminados o cosas como estas" pero europe demostro porque son grandes siempre apuestan a mas y eso es respetable digno y para anda conformista, bueno me despido esa es mi opinion.

From: Cachorla

Date: September 28, 2006 at 21:18

Recien termino de escuchar el disco secret society y debo decir que me impacto peroo para bien, es cierto que pueda sonar un tanto moderno para algunos pero tambien es cierto que tiene temas muy buenos com always the pretenders, love is not the enemy, let the children play, getaway plan, forever travelling, human after all Creo sin dudas que el hard rock esta cambiando peroo lo que no cambia es el sentimiento la esencia y eso es bueno.

From: SuperRockero

Date: September 29, 2006 at 0:25

ajajaja Ñu??? la banda de Rock o Ñu el ave mejor di Avestruz ajaja una pena la gente de habla española no tiene gusto ni clase ni diferencian un estilo de otro son contaditos los hispanos que comentan aca que tienen clase y saben de lo bueno el resto puros mediocres mejor deben dejar este site y escuchar a Blink y esas cochinadas eso es para uds a diferencia de la gente de habla inglesa por eso jamas estaremos a su nivel que bueno que se ingles y puedo leer los post de los que saben Ñu ajajaja!!

From: le_baron_boy

Date: September 29, 2006 at 18:06

QUE BUENO QUE SEPAS INGLES YO TAMBIEN ADEMAS DE PORTUGUES Y ALGO DE ALEMAN, QUE BUENO NO ESO DA PIE PARA ENTRAR EN OTROS FOROS SEGURO LO DEBES SABER NO?? ME IMAGINO QUE HABLARAS ALGO MAS DE INGLES Y ESPAÑOL ,NO??? JAJAJAJA IGUALMENTE LA SABIDURIA NO SE MIDE PORQUE LADO DEL MUNDO ESTE UNO, PERO SI SE MIDE POR COMENTARIOS ABSOLUTAMENTE ESTUPIDOS COMO EL TUYO QUE SUENAN MUY RACISTAS, NO SE PORQUE PERO TE PARECE MUCHO A RAFO PHOENIX , JAJAJA JAJAJAJA

From: le_baron_boy	Date: September 29, 2006 at 18:18
VOS DEBES SUFRIR LO MISMO QUE RAFO TENES PROBLEMAS DE AUTOESTIMA Y TE CREES Y QUERES HACER CREES QUE SABES ALGO PERO NO SABES NADA DE NADA , SE NOTA POR TUS COMENTARIOS, JAJAJ SI TE PUEDO RECOMENDAR UN PSICOLOGO O PSQUIATRA ELLOS SI TE PUEDEN AYUDAR, YO SOLO DE MUSICA PUEDO AYUDARTE, JAJAJAJA

From: le_baron_boy	Date: September 29, 2006 at 18:27
"ÑU" O ALTERNATIVO Y LO COMPARASTE AL START DORM THE DARK , JAJA JA AJAJA VOS SI QUE SABES MUCHO DE MUSICA EHHHHHH, JUA JUAAA JUAA A A A CASI TANTO COMO RAFOO JAJAJAJA JAJAJ AJAJAJ AJAJAJ AJAJAJ

From: SuperRockero

Date: September 29, 2006 at 18:31

MUAJAJAJA AAJA POBRE TIPEJO ANALFEBETO NI ESCRIBIR SABES ,YO TE RECOMENDARE A UN PROFESOR DE INICIAL PARA QUE APRENDAS A ESCRIBIR AJAJAJJJA SABES INGLES ALEMAN JOOJOJOJ QUE PAYASASO A LAS JUSTAS SABES ESPAÑOL Y TODAVIA TE FALTA MUUUUCHO POR APRENDER Y DE MUSICA AJAJA MI PERRO SABE MAS QUE TU AAJJAJ, TU DE MUSICA AYUDA A LOS ORATES QUE ANDAN POR LAS CALLES QUIZA ELLOS ESTEN A TU NIVEL AUNQUE LO DUDO ELLOS SABEN Y TIENEN MAS GUSTO QUE TU AAJJAAJA JAAA le_baron_boy ES IGUAL A ESTE ALBUM 0/10 AJJAJA

From: SuperRockero	Date: September 29, 2006 at 18:34
AJJAJAJA COMO DISFRUTO CON ESTE BUFON SE ME VAN A CAER OS DIENTES DE TANTO REIRME AJAJAJJAJAAAA!!!! SIGUE ADELANTE PEDAZO DE ESTIERCOL SIGUE HACIENDO REIR JJIJJIJIJIJEJEJEJEJE

From: SuperRockero	Date: September 29, 2006 at 18:36
NOTA: PERO ESTIERCOL DE PUERCO AJJAAAJAJAJA

From: SuperRockero	Date: September 29, 2006 at 18:39
le_baron_boy DEBERIAS ESTAR EN UN PROGRAMA COMICO ERES MEJOR QUE LOS SIMPSONS AHAJAJAJAJ

From: SuperRockero	Date: September 29, 2006 at 18:50
ÑU AJAJAJA ÑU ES UN AVE SONSO AJAJAJA ES NU, QUE TORPEEEE!!! AJAJAJAJ ESCRIBE ABAJO PARA SEGUIR DISFRUTANDO CON TU COMICIDAD ASI HACES REIR A LOS OTROS QUE LEEN ACA AJJJAAAA AGGGG!!! ME ATORO AJJAJAJAJA

From: le_baron_boy

Date: September 29, 2006 at 18:53

JAJAJA A A A A SI SEGURO QUE TU PERRO SABE MAS Y DEBE SER MAS EDUCADO E INTELIGENTE QUE VOS ESO SEGURO, JAJAJA QUE PASA TAMBIEN ERES ENVIDIOSO NO SOLO NO TOELRA QUE OTRO SEPA MAS DE MUSICA QUE TU O HABEL MAS IDIOMAS QUE TI PUS PARA TU PESAR SI LOS HABLO O MEJOR DICHO ENTIENDO ALGO COMO PARA ENTRAR EN DISITNTOS FOROS COSAS QUE SEGURO TU HACES TAMBIEN NO?? JAJAJ DEBES HABALR ALGO DE PORTUGUES Y ALGO DE ALEMAN ADEMAS DE INGLES ,NO??? JAJAJA

From: mauricio

Date: September 29, 2006 at 19:17

para todos aquellos que les gusta darse de trompadas verbales,muchachos tomenlo con calma que la vida son solo 2 dias,no vale la pena discutir por un disco que gusta a unos y disgusta a otros.yo creo que deberian de respetarse mutuamente en lo personal a mi el disco ni me va ni me viene aunque yo esperaba mas de EUROPE.no obstante el nuevo disco esta a la vuelta de la esquina y un colega CACHORLA arriba ya lo escucho y dijo que tiene buenos temas,habra que escucharlo detenidamente como es

From: mauricio

Date: September 29, 2006 at 19:29

bueno como deciaara estos 2 amigos que se estan dando con todo y metiendo a sus mascotas para ver si conocen de hard rock o aor,para Le_baron_boy yo pienso que midas un poquito la boca,no tenes derecho de meterte con otra persona como RAFO PHOENIX que no te ha hecho nada ni se esta metiendo contigo para que te metas con el,ni mucho menos de expresarte de la manera que lo haces.como que el que realmente tiene baja autoestima eres tu.para Super rockero vos sos el que empezo esto insultando al

From: mauricio

Date: September 29, 2006 at 19:43

Le_baron_boy llamandolo naco solo por el echo de que este dijera que este fue el disco del año y te pones a decirle improperios,no es una conducta grata por parte de un mexicano,mas bien el que necesita de un profesor eres tu para que aprendas de educacion que es lo que carece en esta pagina de este disco.por otra parte los otros lectores que opinamos no nos reimos del disco sino nos reimos de ustedes 2 por el papelon barato que hacen.hay que medirse BIEN la boca para hablar TENGAN MAS TACTO.

From: everon

Date: September 30, 2006 at 12:19

Hola,pienso que este disco es una basura con muy pocas pretensiones que no sean las de vender discos de bajo el nombre de EUROPE,para mi como ya digo es un ostion semejante al de STRYPER,aun asi no estoy deacuerdo con superrockero ya que llevo mas20 años escuchando todo tipo de hardrock,aor,metal y casi todo lo q no sea trhass y no me gusta meterme con los gustos de los demas.Sobre el que dijo noseke de TALISMAN,pueden tener discos mejores o peores pero cualquiera superior a este de Europe.2/10

From: le_baron_boy

Date: September 30, 2006 at 13:47

HOLA , MAURICIO ANTE NADA QUIERO COMENTARTE QUE NO ESTOY DE ACUERDO CONTIGO PERO RESPETO TU OPINION, YO TAN SOLO DEJE UN MENSAJE COMO MUCHOS AQUI Y PARECE QUE A OTRO NO LE GUSTO QUE A MI ME ENCANTARA EL DISCO Y ENTONCES ESCRIBIO AGREDIENDOME Y,O TAN SOLO RESPONDI A ESA AGRESION COMO HARIA CUALQUIERA QUE SE SIENTE AGREDIDO DE ESA MANERA TAN INTOLERANTE ADEMAS QUIERO DECIRTE QUE NO SOY MEXICANO TAMBIEN QUEIRO DECIRTE QUE SUPERROCEJRO Y RAFO SON LA MISMA PERSONA ES POR ESO TODO ESTE LIO, SALU2!!

From: le_baron_boy	Date: September 30, 2006 at 13:51
Y ES CIERTO QUE ES MUY FEO ESTAR AGREDIENDOSE CUANDO SE DEBERIA HABLAR DE MUSICA QUE ES LO QUE NOS GUSTA, PERO HAY MUCHA GENTE INTOLERANTE QUE SINO PONES LO QUE ELLOS QUIEREN LEER AGREDEN ESE NO ES MI ESTILO PERO SI , VOY A CONTESTAR SI ME AGREDEN A MI AHORA ME DESPIDO PARA QUE PODAMOS SEGUIR HABLANDO DE MUSICA

From: le_baron_boy

Date: September 30, 2006 at 13:56

AMIGO EVERON NO COINCIDO CONTIGO PERO REPSETO TU OPINION NO CREO QUESEA POR VENDER O NO VENDER , CREO QUE TODOS SABEMOS DESDE EL MOMENTO QUE UN ARTISTA EDITA UN DISCO ES PARA VENDER ,TODOS QUIEREN VENDER ESO NO SE DISCUTE DESDE EL QUE HACE POP AL METALERO MAS EXTREMO ,LA CUESTION AQUI ES QUE MUCHOS CRITICAN ESTE DISCO DICIENDO QUE NO ES EUROPE , YO OPINO LO CONTRARIO ES LA EVOLUCION DE UNA DE LAS BANDAS MAS GRANDE DEL HARD ROCK SIN DUDAR, NINGUN DISOC DE EUROPE SE PARECE VAN EVOLUCIONANDO

From: le_baron_boy

Date: September 30, 2006 at 13:59

ESA ES LA DIFERENCIA CON RESPECTO A OTRAS BANDAS, Y CEO QUE TIENE QUE SER VALORADA ESA ACTITUD YA QUE ELLOS VAN POR MAS, NO ES UNA ACTITUD MERAMENTE CONFORMISTA LO CUAL ES MUY RESPETABLE TAMBIEN EN ESTE DISCO HAY TEMAS DE LA CALIDAD DE GOT TO HAVE FAITH, FLAMES , HERO, WAKE UO CALL, START FORM THE DARK O REASON SI COINCIDO CON MUCHOS Y SEGURO COINCIDIRAS CONMIGO QUE EL TEMA SONG 12 ES EL PERO TEMA DE EUROPE DE TODA SU CARRERA Y QUE ESE TEMA EN PARTICULAR NADA TIENE QUE VER CON EUROPE, PEROO

From: le_baron_boy	Date: September 30, 2006 at 14:00
ESO NO DESMERECE EL DISCO QUE PARA MI ES DE GRAN CALIDAD, ESA ES MI OPINION ,SALU2 Y MIS RESPETOS EVERON

From: RAMYRO-LARSON

Date: September 30, 2006 at 14:42

Uffff,veo que el clima aqui esta alborotado, jaja eso no hace otra cosa que demostrar la inmensa banda que es EUROPE las pasiones y discusiones que despierta. Espero nadie se ofendaa , pero a mi START FROM THE DARK me gusto mucho,pero debo decir que el nuevo disco SECRET SOCIETY me encanto, es un disco donde la banda sobresale enpleno y norum esta increible el bajo y bateria suenan solidos y mic tiene mas participacion una banda que sigue creciendo y creciendoooo.

From: RAMYRO-LARSON

Date: September 30, 2006 at 14:49

Aunque para algunos sea mas o menos moderno pero eso mai me es indiferente, alguien dijo por aca algo asi como del espiritu y la esencia y creo que son las palabras correctas esas no s epeude explicar de otra forma, creo que hay muchas bandas que han perdido eso y no evolucionaron no crecieron y eso si es preocupante no pasa por moderno o no solo pasa POR LA ESENCIA ESPIRITU creo que es la clave de todo esto

From: RAMYRO-LARSON

Date: September 30, 2006 at 14:55

Mucha gente esta cambiando su manera de ver y escuchar a EUROPE sino fijarse en la web www.europetheband.com en la seccion biografias donde un critico britanico habla maravillas de EUROPE y del nuevo disco SECRET SOCIETY, mas valor toma la misma porque el admite que EUROPE para el era una banda buena pero nada mas y se sorprendio mucho con el disco, basta con leerla para comprender a que me he referido con todas mis palabras.

From: Rafo Phoenix

Date: September 30, 2006 at 15:04

Muchacho sigues mencionando mi nombre, ahora eres vidente Dios que se puede hacer, resulta ahora que eres el agraviado aca cuando fuistes tu el que comenzo todo diciendonos Necios a los que escriben en este lugar por el simple hecho de que no nos agrada lo nuevo de esta banda que es una mas de miles, bueno quiza el resto no se quiere molestar reprochando eso por mi parte no acepto que nadie se pase de listo de esa forma, si no entiendes eso ya que puedo decir el resto ya lo sabe conmigo Adios.

From: le_baron_boy

Date: October 1, 2006 at 21:38

ESTIMADO RAFO LO QUE DIJE DE "NECIOS" YA TE LO EXPLIQUE,NO ME REFERIA NI A VOS NI A NADIE EN PARTICULAR SINO QUE FUE UNA FORMA DE EXPRESARME ENFORMA GRAL, ENTRE LOS CUALES ME INCLUYO CUANDO DIGO DE NECIOS Y ESPECIFICAMENTE ME REFERIA A LO CERRADO QUE PUEDE SER UNA PERSONA EN CIERTAS OCASIONES, SOLO ESO FUE, PERO IGUALMENTE ESTA DISCUSION TERMINO PARA MI TAMBIEN, SOLO QUIERO HABLAR DE MUSICA QUE ES LO QUE MAS NOS GUSTA,ASIQUE TE MANDO MIS SALU2

From: Heavy.AOR	Date: October 2, 2006 at 0:50
SUCK 1/10.This is a one of the Best Bad return for all the time forever.suck suck suck!!!!

From: Rafo Phoenix

Date: October 2, 2006 at 12:32

Salu2 tambien le_baron_boy escuchamos los mismos estilos de musica asi que debemos estar unidos en un mundo cada vez mas podrido y donde esta clase de musica es una de las pocas cosas buenas que le queda a la humanidad donde los valores morales y buenos sentimientos las cosas que transmiten estilos como el AOR o Hard Rock cada vez se practican menos y se dan al olvido cosas que dignifican el alma y el corazon pero nosotros somos esos humanos dignos que siempre llevaran esa esencia viva.

From: Cachorla	Date: October 2, 2006 at 15:26
Sigo escuchando el nuevo disco SECRET SOCIETY y vuelvo a insistir peguenle una buenas escuchada no tiene desperdicio , no dejo de asombrarme del sonido de las guitarras que logro norum aqui, en temas como love is not the enemy ,human after all, o getaway plan esta supremo , sin dudas es un gran disco , denle la oportunidad pues se lo merecee!!!

From: le_baron_boy	Date: October 2, 2006 at 16:02
ESTIMADO RAFO, ESTOY COMPLETAMENTE DE ACUERDO CONTIGO 100%, JAJAJA QUIEN DIRIA DESPUES DE TANTA DISCUSION ESTAMOS COINCIDIENDO EN ALGO Y ESE ALGO ES IMPORTANTE, EL SENTIMIENTO POR ESTA MUSICA, TE MANDO SALU2 !!! A SEGUIR ROCKEANDOO ENTONCES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: 80s hero

Date: October 10, 2006 at 13:50

Bueno digamos que este disco de EUROPE para todos aquellos que supimos disfrutar de sus buenos discos es una completa basura. Ni un solo tema que se acerque si quiera al tema más malo de "Prisioners in Paradise". El gran error aquí fue el siguiente: John Norum debería de haber sido remplazado por Kee Marchello que es mucho mejor compositor. John Norum perdió el rumbo desde que abandonó EUROPE. Nunca más supo componer nada bueno. Joey Tempest sacó dos grandes primeros discos solistas al igual que

From: 80s hero	Date: October 10, 2006 at 13:53
KEE MARCHELLO con su banda RED FUN (disco que les recomiendo escuchar porque es una maravilla). Para terminar decirles que EUROPE ha perdido tood lo bueno que tenía y se les ha secado el cerebro al igual que Queensryche que no supo sacar nada bueno despues de Promised Land. Un completo fiasco y el CD nuevo "Secret Society" es otra completa basura. EUROPE está muerto.

From: Cachorla

Date: October 11, 2006 at 14:01

De mas esta decir que no coincido en nada con el comentario, peroo bue se respeta la opinion de que a alguien le guste o no el disco ya que para mi lso dos son muy buenos, lo que no se repseta y se tolera que elaguien tan alegremente hable asi de una bdna con trmenda historia y cantidad de disco y temas excelentes a toenladas, eso es gracios y hasta cusa gracia que alguien en pleno 2006 discuta a EUROPE, jajaa bueno dejo mis salu2

From: Cachorla	Date: October 11, 2006 at 14:10
en cuanto al disco de kee con su banda red fun del año 1993 debo decir que es bueno pero tampco la maravila, es un album bueno estructurado pero no hay solos gloriosos como en prisoners o out of this world , es un album muy simplista a la hora de componer y areglar pero suena bien yo tambien lo recomiendo pero repitoo no crean que es la nueva maravilla , jajajaa

From: mauricio

Date: October 15, 2006 at 15:27

para 80s HERO,en efecto JOHN NORUM debio ser reemplazdo por KEE MARCELLO,de eso no hay duda.JOHN NORUM edito desde su salida en 1986 3 buenos discos 2 en solitario y 1 con DON DOKKEN,pero el NORUM se echo a perder o mas bien se puso oscuro.en cuanto a KEE MARCELLO se supo de antemano que no iba a grabar con EUROPE este disco del 2004 alegando que JOHN NORUM debia grabarlo por ser el guitarra original y a final de cuentas KEE MARCELLO tuvo los pantalones para decir que EUROPE ya no es parte de el

From: mauricio

Date: October 15, 2006 at 15:36

en cuanto a las bandas que se han venido abajo como QUEENSRYCHE,tambien estan DEF LEPPARD,y en especial BON JOVI que ha sido la banda que mas se cochineo Y no le dan palos como a EUROPE.en cuanto a los discos de JOEY TEMPEST,yo tengo los 3 y no son la gran cosa muy normales.para CACHORLA en cuanto a KEE MARCELLO su disco del 2004 suena como a este,pero no obstante te RECOMIENDO el album que KEE MARCELLO grabo con EASY ACTION que es mas escandinavo que el de RED FUN,saludos a los 2

From: West Of Sunset

Date: October 24, 2006 at 18:52

Creo ke uno de los puntos ke no me convencen del todo es el hecho de ke John Norum este en el grupo en vez de Kee Marcello. Kee es un guitarra mas creativo y claramente mas tecnico ke John Norum. Me hubiera gustado ver esta vuelta de Europe con Kee a las gutarras, hubiera sido la bomba. John Norum me da la impresion de hacer siempre lo mismo, y en directo se le atragantaron mucho los solos de Kee Marcello. Creo ke es un buen guitarrista pero ni mucho menos un "guitar hero" como Kee Marcello.

From: showdown	Date: October 28, 2006 at 10:45
shit! this is not europe!

From: Cachorla	Date: October 29, 2006 at 15:37
this is very good album of hard rock!!!!!!!!!!!! rockers songs n melodies, hero, settle for love, start from the dark, flames ,wake uo call, roll with you 8/10

From: z4roxx	Date: February 26, 2007 at 15:40
Wow!!!This cd don't worths a single cent!!The worst cd ever heard in general,this one will through thru'my window since some minutes!!!0/10 and I am too generous....

From: Jose

Date: March 5, 2007 at 20:45

Pues a mi si me gusto, es cierto suena obscuro, pero melodico nada que ver con el out if this world o el prisioners, aunque me queda una duda por los comentarios hechos aquí, realmente este nuevo sonido se deberá a Norum?, porque no hay que olvidar q Tempest ha tenido siempre mucho que ver con la musica de Europe, sera q ahora si escucho ideas de los demas?, la verdad no se. Lo que si se es que me agrado bastante este nuevo Europe y eso que me considero atrapado en los 80s. Saludos desde Mexico.

From: z4roxx	Date: March 14, 2007 at 13:55
Fortunately I've traded this s**t with a true masterpiece like Circus Maximus,thanks to my cousin for the favour ahahahahaha!

From: Rafo Phoenix	Date: March 14, 2007 at 15:18
You are lucky andrea The 1st Chapter by Circus Maximus is by far better than this one.

From: z4roxx	Date: March 14, 2007 at 15:59
My cousin is the actual lead singer of the most famous north italian Europe's cover band(Wings of Fire)and he needed it for the lyrics,he also dislike this shitty release!!!!My cousin was the first Demon Angels's singer too......Regards Rafo!!!

From: Jose	Date: March 22, 2007 at 13:28
Circus Maximus?¡?¡?¡?¡?¡?¡? mejor que Europe????? de q carajos hablan, que tienen q ver los estilos de ambos????, que paso Rafo, me decepcionaste esta vez, simplemente por estilos no hay punto de comparacion. que les pasa?????????

From: z4roxx	Date: March 23, 2007 at 13:14
Ahahaha I only meant than this one it's a s**t for me,I love the old Europe and I say they have been one of the greatest of all times in the genre but now...they worth nothing more IMO.Circus Maximus cd worth 10,000 times this cd(isn't comparable).

From: mauricio

Date: March 23, 2007 at 19:47

para JOSE,escucha CIRCUS MAXIMUS es una banda escandinava que combina el metal progresivo con el hard rock melodico,por otro lado no se trata de comparacion ni mucho menos decir que decepciona la persona que opina solo por dar un punto de vista un tanto mejor de lo que se tiene de este disco ACEPTEMOS los europe ya no son lo que eran aunque este disco valen 1-2-3-4-5-9-10-11-12 si al caso,ahora en directo humm tengo un doble cd con 20 temas de esta gira y john norum no supera a kee marcello.

From: mauricio

Date: March 23, 2007 at 20:00

los clasicos son muy oscuros y la propia THE FINAL COUNTDOWN no le hace honor al disco muy desentonada.y ni que decir el secret society humm siguieron en lo mismo.no obstante mejor recomiendo el STREET TALK-V o el CRYSTAL BLUE-DETOUR que retiene esa vena de EUROPE asimismo el CIRCUS MAXIMUS-THE FIRST CHAPTER un cruce entre( DREAM THEATER-SYMPHONY X-PRETTY MAIDS-T N T )no le des mas vueltas,saludos.

From: Rafo Phoenix	Date: March 27, 2007 at 9:22
Para Jose(Mexico) pense que eras el otro Pepe Grillo alli si que me decepcionarias pero no eres el aca con mi amigo z4roxx hablamos estrictamente de este album no de los albums de los 80's o de Europe en general ya que esa es otra historia, ahora comparando este trabajo con el de circus Maximus de lejos me quedo con el de Circus Maximus facil como eso, saludos.

From: Jose

Date: March 29, 2007 at 20:59

Esta bien cuates (Rafo y Mauricio) gustos hay muchos y opiniones igual, no nos pondremos de acuerdo en este punto en particular, para mi es bueno el disco y para ustedes a lo mejor no, punto. Trataré de seguir las recomendaciones de Mauricio, escuchare a Street Talk y Crystal Blue y platicamos luego. Mi estimado Rafo, cuando leo tus criticas de un album q no conozco trato de comprarlo, si veo que lo recomiendas se q sera un buen cd. Eres un buen guia, sigue así. Saludos

From: Roller89	Date: November 17, 2007 at 10:24
a fantastic comeback record that will blow your mind away! Europe's Start From The Dark album got me hypnotized by the magic of rock! Europe stick to their guns and delievers a great hard rock disc at a time when the market was screaming for some high voltage rock!

From: MikeTuinstra

Date: March 1, 2009 at 19:25

They became their antithesis. As a Melodic Rock fan myself I don't like it. I don't think it's Europe I'm listening to so as far as I'm concerned the band never returned. This is an Alternative record to my ears. The big sound is gone. Sound minimal, tone depressed. I wouldn't consider it heavy, their Le Baron Boys stuff was miles ahead and that was good. Lack of quality here. I understand their motivation for the change in sound showing the many sides of the band catering to different generations but encounter a loss in identity with this one. Their known for melody, I don't hear it anymore. It's the typical cliché most Classic Rock deals with in the 00's. Expectations I lost long ago, hope never really fades. Always a pleasure to hear from them again but this is not your product. Rename to Force or something new.

From: metalmaniac777

Date: January 16, 2010 at 13:29

Much like a Nazi supermodel, this CD has its share of flaws, but overall it's a pretty darn good effort by an 80s rock band trying to update their sound into something modern and relevant. They started by going for a heavier, beefier guitar sound which is sonically superb thanks to a stellar production job. From there they laid down some deep riffs, really giving the album the kind of grooves that make you want to bang your head. Then they piled on just enough catchy hooks to make the songs stick like they did back in the 80s heydays. They finished by painting the whole project with a darker edge that has alienated many a fan but tickles my musical fancy just fine.

From: hair metal again	Date: May 26, 2011 at 5:00
excellent release by EUROPE and surely one of their best.i would call it updated,without being a sellout.the sound is huge with kevin elson in production and the songwriting is in the highest level.highlights are the magnifiscent "hero","sucker","start from the dark" and "spirit of the underdog".highly recommended for hard rockers only

From: rick kerch vzla	Date: August 4, 2011 at 23:00
The "return" of Europe...nothing as close as their glorious past releases but at the same time trying to enter into the new decade with a modern approach in their songs(for good or for bad)..."Got To Have Faith","Start From The Dark"(indeed,for some people these are really dark songs ),"Flames","Hero"(nice) & "Sucker" are my "faves"...75/100

From: pibe	Date: March 31, 2013 at 4:52
BUEN REGRESO DE LOS SUECOS,ESTE DISCO ESTA MUY BIEN,PESE UN POCO A SU CAMBIO DE ESTILO Y HACER UN HEAVY MAS OSCURO,SIGUEN TENIENDO MELODIA. 7'5/10

From: Metal Fox

Date: September 22, 2016 at 4:22

The year is 2004, Europe has recently reunited and decided to release their first new studio album of original material since 1991's "Prisoners in Paradise". Instead of making a vintage 80's sounding album, Europe opt to take the more modern approach. At first, this modern style seems to work and it seems to suit Europe quite well, and it comes off sounding like a more modern take on their previous album from '91 (which was DYNAMITE!), but then the album starts to drag in the second half. Highlights on this include the first 6 tracks, plus "Sucker". I give this one a 76/100.

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